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Do We Deserve EU Citizenship?

Bruno is back again for another interview. I think this is a really interesting topic.

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  1. love the comments so far. thank you all for your opinions and perspectives. also, let me know any other topics you'd want me to interview bruno about.

  2. No need to worry or to “feel bad” about it. In America we become citizens automatically for being born on US soil ((for the most part). In Italy you become a citizen of your family (your mother/father) are Italians. You do not become a citizen of Italy for being born on Italian soil. So, enjoy it!

  3. Of course it’s fair your returning to your ancestral homeland your returning to your people to your tribe it is your right to return to your tribe and reunite with your people where you come from your culture of origin your reconnecting it is your right your coming home your true eternal home of your people and ancestors America is the native Americans ancestral homeland Africa is Africans ancestral homeland its beauty for them to reconnect to their roots and come back home if they desire to do so and they are well within their rights to do so by jus soli (“right of the soil”)—that is, being born on U.S. soil—or jus sanguinis ("right of blood”) it’s your right of blood jus sanguinis don’t feel guilty for your heritage and gifts of opportunity in this life it’s all a part of your journey in this human experience

  4. As a European my view is that your ancestors help build their different countries before your family migrated. The immigrants need help, but they also need to go back and fight for what they want in their countries, instead of fleeing to the wealth that they see and want. Our ancestors worked hard to build our coutries to do great and now we get flooded with young men and families who don't want to adapt to our way of living, they want the benefits but live and have the rules from their countries. And THAT is where we clash!!!!! You don't come and expect to be treated as royalties and then disrespect our values. There are plenty of immigrants that do well, educate them self and become a true member of our country and I wish them welcome and all the best, but the rest should go home and fight for their countries!!!!!!!

  5. A very difficult question to answer, whether you deserve Italian citizenship. The fact is, you have Italian ancestors. Italy has therefore made it possible for both of you to obtain Italian citizenship by law. The question of whether you deserve the Italian citizenship is therefore irrelevant, as the Italian parliament, and therefore the Italian people, have given you the opportunity. In no way should you feel guilty about this. Let you be adult men of reason and common sense, who hopefully know what rights and duties an Italian citizenship entails. Through your actions and deeds, you are now morally obliged to support Italy, to help ensure that Italy remains democratic, that Italy can live in peace and to establish prosperity throughout Italy. Think about it.

  6. Don't forget that if you're born in Italy you re not automatically Italian , even if you go to school there your entire life , you have to wait till you're 18 to ask for citizenship .

  7. I don‘t think every European country as such an easy Jus Sanguinis but Germany had an reform of citizenship in the early 2000s in which they even introduced limited Jus Soli. Americans have full Jus Soli.

  8. I am wondering whether part of the reason the law has not been rescinded is that Italy is a country with a rather 'old' population, and they are trying to entice people back to work and start buisnesses there. The thing that's the most 'unfair' about this is that you now count as Europeans for sporting purposes. On a broader level that has always been sitting uneasily with me, e.g. a German getting Bolivian nationality just to participate (badly) in Winter Olympics and sport clubs for 'American' sports (Ice hockey, basketball, American Football) who have enough money importing players eligible for EU citizienship and defacto increasing their non-national player allowance. I don't grudge the individuals doing it, because why shouldn't they if it is perfectily legal, but I still think the systems needs adjusting.

  9. Nick and Bruno the question of having a right or not is totally different from the question if something is fair or not. As a native babyboomer German, I have nothing done to be a German and you both have nothing done to be American and all the rest (your rights to become an Italien citizen) is a question of luck. Btw. after the USSR did collapse there was huge immigration from Russians who had German ancestors (in the late 18.th century when Katharina II was the Emperor of Russia she invited Christian Europeans to settle there) and all of them did get German citizenship another case of luck.
    So the whole question about which citizenship we get is a lottery because of the fact, that any citizenship did also carry rights and obligations with it. The only difference about your dual citizenship is, that you had to act on your own to get the paperwork that proves your Italien citizenship (in fact you did had it before you even know it).
    However, we could now start a discussion if it is fair that there are differences in citizenship. But then you have to ask if it is fair that we have first world problems while others did not know what clean water is.

  10. You have a right to citizenship through your bloodline. It's "Jure Sanguinis" AKA the right of the bloodline, and therefore your birth right. Italy is the most liberal in terms of citizenship via Jure Sanguinis in Europe because it doesn't have a generational limit. Most European countries only allow you to file a claim through parents or, at most, grandparents. Italy is different. It's a lot of work and bureaucracy, but the fact is you were already born a citizen and you're simply registering yourself with the Italian government. The discussion about the migrant crisis has nothing to do with Jure Sanguinis. That's an entirely unrelated humanitarian crisis on its own for all of Europe to have to grapple with. But you're of Italian descent. The fact that people who are not of Italian descent don't have the right to claim citizenship in Italy as easily isn't unfair, it just makes sense. Of course you are very fortunate to have the opportunity, but it's nothing to apologize for. Congrats!

  11. I do this is in German!!
    Die EU ist NICHT Europa.
    Die EU ist weder ein Originärer Staat, noch wurde sie von Bürgern ins Leben gerufen.
    Die EU ist ein von Organisationen erfundenes Konstrukt . (same as Coudenhove-Kalergi)
    Kein Bürger wurde gefragt, keine Verfassungsgebende Versammlung wurde einberufen.
    Auch das Geld, (€) hatte 2001 niemand der Europäer gewollt.
    Ein Bürger kann niemals Automatisch ein Angehöriger sein .
    Besonders gilt dies für US Bürger. Denn die Indigenen Einwohner eures Landes sind die einzigen Angehörigen !

  12. what fascinates me most , is the "migration"-cult of us-americans… good for you that italy supports it.. you soon get a taxbill, i guess 😉 "save the markusplatz" or something like that

  13. I am Italian and I think we keep that option open because there are tons of good football players in South America and our nazionale always needs new players. 😂⚽

  14. I don't think you need feel guilty. You followed the rules. You're fine.

    If anyone need feel guilty, it is those who fled their home countries, who instead should have organized and banded together to fix what is wrong.

  15. I'm a dual citizen through my dad's birth in Ireland and just found out also through my great grandfathers birth in Italy although my grandmother was also born in Italy, it's easier to go through the male line. Most countries recognize a foreign born child of a citizen as a citizen including the USA, however grandparent or even great grandparent seems to be unique to European countries. I don't think you should vote in their elections unless you are living there and understand the issues. Also try and fit in if you decide to live there. Don't live like an American in another country just stay in the states if you want that.

  16. Your european citizenship could play out as a life-saving ticket when the US is taken down in the nearer future. The EU comes into trouble too, but not so dire as the US. Do not think about fairness – on the surface life in itself is never fair to none, with a deeper understanding it maybe is all about causality, not about fairness. Some win sometimes, there are reasons for that…like you now, congrats.

  17. A very belated comment…

    It's right to think about the boat migrants, but a much more apt comparison is with people born in Italy to non-citizen parents: it is much more harder for them to gain Italian citizenship, even if they are much more integrated into Italian society than you ever will.

  18. Basically, also because of colonialism, African countries and others didn't have the same chance to develop politically, economically. On the global level it is ALL unfair. It would be a big dream to come true, if fleeing from ISiS or from poverty wasn't necessary anymore. However, there's no individual guilt there for you, since you didn't steal your Italian passports from others. Differently spoken, no-one would benefit, if you gave them back. (Of course it also depends a little on how much you intend to apply for state services there) It's really great to have both passports, so congrats!

  19. honestly, it's not fair. from your personal perspective i can understand that you are happy about it but from a larger perspective i'd even say it's undemocratic because it gives you more rights than an average italian has.. you can vote in two countries, for example. also, I'm sceptic if it's good for a national society to include members with full citizen rights who have never lived there, don't know the land, have no clue about the political system, the public, the mentality etc. there and sometimes don't even identify with the country. these people however also have a say in elections.

  20. "Bloodline means a lot to them" and yes, the is how Italians speak in Italy. However, it's hypocritical that a piece of paper can wipe the bloodline completely, don't you think?

  21. I have been born in germany but have italian and swiss citizenship due to ancestord. In Europe it was a way to have no one without citizenships. The concept is different. Nationality and administration has always been important and the concept of being born somewhere and getting citizenship automatically has not been introduced for a long time.
    To me my parents would have to have been living here for 8 years before me being born to getting it automatically. The process is changing but it takes time.
    Plus your nationlity has (at least to me) part of my culture. Until 2013 I would have to give up the other two to get thegerman. And I for eyample don't vote in every election. That is why I value having to chose which country to vote for in european elections. The EU is a concept that came upon giving nationalities less power and making people here feel more of a unity after x amount of years having constant wars with eachother. With fascism in italy, nazism in Germany, Napoleon etc the passport not only gave you cultural identity but a safe haven from prosecution.

    It is a difficult topic but historically times are changing but legal processes are aalways kinda late. I appreciate you talking about it. I can not see myself as German but I also am not swiss our Italian. I am a good bastard. It was not luxury in the beginning it was having a safe haven you can go back to in times of crises.

  22. Italy is one European country that grants citizenship very easily to people who have Italian ancestors. Some say it is mostly for sport purposes (great footballers, soccer I mean:), and other sportsmen and women, are foreign citizens but of Italian ancestry). So they can become Italian and play in Italy (at national team level but also in sports where there are restrictions of how many non-EU players can play in a team, such as – again – soccer)

  23. it is the law , so lot of ppl from the US and South America are taki adv, and about ppl dying in the mediterenian
    or Mexican border .. well its USA and Europe .. i guess everyone wants to be there..

  24. Isn't it kind of strange though that you have Italian citizenship but live and work in Germany? Not that I mind. And as long as you don't think you're "real Italians" now and stop wearing white socks with sandals and don't eat pineapples on pizza, I think Italians will be cool with it 😉 But yeah, of course it makes a difference. You haven't (both) lived in Italy, you don't speak the language. Do you even know anything about Italy? Its history, culture, politics? It's a big responsibility, you could theoretically do what many Turkish people do in Germany&Austria who (for some incomprehensible reason) have dual citizenship: vote for a dictator/a terrible party in a country they don't have to live in. They enjoy all the advantages of a free, socialist society but don't care that their votes establish or strenghted Erdogan in Turkey. Not exactly fair. Anyway, you guys seem like reasonable and respectful people who won't exploit their luck. Personally, I LOVE Italy so I think you guys are really lucky. And of course a passport from a European country makes everything, travel, working here etc, much easier. Count your blessings!

  25. I think it is fair. And also as an italian citizen you can vote for your mayor in town and for the european parliament election in germany. And you have travel freedom in the whole EU, ehich is great.

  26. I am Dutch. I have to let go of my nationality to vote for the Bundestag (German Congress elections) altough I live and work here half my life. In Holland a German doesn't have to give up on his nationality, you can have two nationalities.

  27. I guess that is what people don't understand when you talk about privilege. You don't have to feel guilty for your privilege, but you should have empathy for those who don't have the same privilege. Privilege just means that there are certain things you don't have to worry about, that other people do.
    Don't feel bad for being privileged, but help people who aren't, and have empathy for their struggles.

  28. I love your honesty and your point of view on a very sensitive subject. That show a lot of your personality and your growth you both gained abroad here in Europe. Nothing is taken for granted and thank you Bruno for mentioning that health care and education isn`t "free" – it`s merely sort of what we are entilted getting back paying our taxes, so to speak. really appreciated this, thank you and pls forgive my English

  29. When i saw all the other ppl who get EU citizenship, you too really deserve it you seem to be very productive so you are a gain to the EU. And its more unfair that your friends dont get it than its unfair that you got it

  30. The fact that you ask yourself those questions should be qualification enough since you prove that you have the moral standards that europeans expect…

  31. As a European citizen, I'd much rather have you two get EU/Italian citizenship and passports – than random economic migrants from North Africa or the Middle East. You have jobs, you have an education, you're willing to work, and you seem to have pride in your Italian heritage and new citizenship. Many of the economic migrants do not want to integrate or adopt the local culture at all. Many of us do really not want those people to arrive. Of course there would be a problem if millions of Americans decided to take advantage of this "loophole", but I would much rather have 1 million Americans than 100 Libyans. And no it's not racism, it's simply common sense.

  32. the european union is not a country. The European Union is a fascist organization led by terrorists in Brussels. no normal person wants to have a citizenship of nazis.

  33. OMG. I just fell in love with Bruno. Again. 😀 Where does Bruno (as in "nickname")? There's hardly anything to find in the internet about him, not even by his real name he must be very private. Sorry, Nalf, but your sidekick outsmarts you time and again, even though I think you are pretty bright for a guy your age. 😀 And @Bruno: You had me at "cardinal sin". 😉 These days you hardly see someone knowing terms like this. I'm such a sapiosexual. 😀

  34. Now that you guys have dual citizenship, don't forget that the US-Tax system is still citizenship based while the EU system is resident based and you have to pay dual-taxes as well. 😉

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